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Teaching & Responding to Student Writing

Materials from faculty seminar held May 17, 2001

Group Memory

Observations on the Discussed Case

  • Student 2 has some coherence, a better flow of ideas better than that of many UWL students.
  • The flow of ideas reflects in Student 2 inadequate mastery of materials
  • Student 2 does seem to understand material but the writing is so poor it obscures the understanding.
  • All the mistakes in Student 2 are quite distracting.
  • Student 1's support of claims with examples is satisfying.
  • Student 1's writing is "pleasing," "interesting reading."
  • Student 2 hasn't addressed the assignment: hasn't focused the material for the assigned purpose and audience.
  • Does the assignment give enough direction? (How much should an assignment lay out a template to guide the student?)
  • How much does 2 understand the assignment?
  • The instructor should ask the student, "What's the purpose of the assignment." (this student's likely answer: "I wanted you to know I'd read the material."
  • How much does Student 2 get feedback on poor mechanics, diminishing his focus on the content?
  • How much feedback does Student 2 need-would it be overwhelming to point out all the problems at once?
  • Is Student 2 ready to write this paper (for this purpose, for this audience?). What does s/he need to do to understand the material better?

Now What Do You Do With These Papers?

  • Give feedback in terms of context (ignore the mechanics).
  • Focus on the first paragraph (for Student 2).
  • Don't edit, but focus on systematic and glaring problems.
  • Ask questions that lead to the central problems.
  • Deny admission into the program (or announce that as the outcome of continued poor performance).

Questions about Creating Effective Writing Assignments

  • How do you get students to buy into working with the rhetorical context, rather than just treat it as another layer of complication.
  • How to get best effort on a draft?
  • How much is the problem of a poor draft a motivational issue and how much is it a problem of not understanding the expectations and standards (i.e., the student assumes that it's O.K. to hand in a freewriting)
  • How much does performance increase if students have a strong hand in designing the assignment?

Suggestions about Creating Effective Writing Assignments

  • Don't tell students the paper they're turning in is a draft-take it in as a "completed" paper, but then give feedback and ask for revision.
  • Have students involved in creating the criteria and parameters for an assignment.
  • Give the student choices in the design of the writing to help increase levels of investment.
  • Design writing assignments which will create a student's sense of "ownership" in the product.
  • Have a check list for giving feedback.
  • Give points for different aspects of the paper. Whether the student revises is her choice: the points/grade could be the final grade, or she could revise for a better grade.

How much commonality—across the disciplines—is there in the writing students do? (Is the commonality only in the artificial area of "academic writing"? Aren't there "really good bricks" that build all writing?)
Common elements:

  • The flow of thought
  • Starting with the general idea
  • Supporting the claims that are made

Other Observations, Questions, & Concerns

  • It can be confusing for students when, even within departments, evaluation and standards differ from instructor to instructor.
  • How important is it to get students to submit articles for publication? How much is that a goal within departments? (Public Relations classes have real clients they are working for.)
  • What is a student's "own work" (as opposed to an academic assignment)?
  • How much high quality writing can a student do during a semester (a student may have 10 to 20 papers to write in 4 or 5 classes). How much are faculty almost forcing students into poor writing by not being aware of the student's overall writing load?
  • Are there levels of investment a student will have (as opposed to either taking ownership or just doing the assignment)?
  • How much does student ownership require faculty letting go?
  • How important is investment in the writing? Shouldn't the student have a level of writing competence that can produce adequate performance regardless of investment?
  • How much do department members disagree on goals?-some wanting technical writing competence, some wanting broader writing skills and competence

Post-Seminar Suggestions from Bill & Terry for Student 2

  1. Look at how the assignment fits into the course structure and ask how much of Student 2's problems result from flaws in the assignment (or perhaps just places where the student could slip through a crack).
  2. Re-examine the phases of assignment development and determine whether Student 2 had enough opportunity to develop an understanding of the subject. It certainly seems as though s/he has not-which gives rise to two considerations:
    1. what can be done now to help Student 2 understand the material (some additional writing-to-learn activities?) and
    2. what can be done the next time you give this writing assignment to help students develop better understanding of the topic before doing formal writing?
  3. Give Student 2 the option to revise the paper.
    1. Provide him or her with a well-written model of a similar assignment.
    2. Point out which evaluation criteria are needing attention-identifying which aspects must be worked on first (i.e., in this draft, the idea movement/structure and the purpose & audience must be attended to before any editing for mechanical errors (awful though those may be) should be corrected.
    3. Give Student 2 a due date for the next draft.
    4. Determine how Student 2 will receive feedback and have further opportunity to revise, based on the feedback, before s/he resubmits the paper (i.e., Will you read another draft? Will another student peer review the draft? Will the student get help from a Writing Center tutor?)
  4. Be sure Student 2 understands what significant learning goals are to be accomplished in the paper.


 

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